josey wales
August 2004
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04.08.04

Home: Done….

I’ve quit playing AoT competitively completely. I may play the odd team game with KS members but don’t expect to see me playing AoM anytime soon. The game has become far too lame and really isn’t about skill in any way shape or form, it’s all about abusing imballances in the game design the best of your ability. I find this type of gameplay too repetitive and not very rewarding, as well I don’t feel that the community in and around AoM is very solid anymore, most of the level-headed and truly helpful experts have long since left the game. If you look at most of the “experts” now they are all very full of themselves and very few actually try to help the community unless it will give them something in one way or another. I must admit the draw of money for playing games is a pretty nice one, but to be perfectly honest I have better things to do with my time at this point than to try to be competitive at a game that really doesn’t require a whole lot of skill (at least by my definition of what skill is).

For those interested I’ve been working at Relic entertainment for the last several months and the first game that I’ve helped work on has recently released a public beta. If you want to sign up for the beta go here, it’s an RTS set in the Warhammer 40k world. Anyways check it out if you like, I sometimes pop online while I’m at work to play against beta testers to see what exactly is going down you might catch me there…. then again you might not hehe.

87 comments ksjoseywales@shaw.ca

User Comments


josey, ur washed up man, gg, cya later

by code 12:44 am on 8/5/2004


lol

by Josey 10:48 am on 8/5/2004


Aw, man! That sucks. With you gone, who’ll stand up for justice, goodness and unlameness? Oh, well. I guess now I’ll have to acually work at getting better at aom so that I can fill that position, not an easy proposition.

by Anonymous 6:41 pm on 8/5/2004


I’m the guy above

If ES releases a patch which helps that soon, will you come back?

by King_Angmar 6:43 pm on 8/5/2004


Yeah if they released a patch that alleviated some of the problems I might come back, but in all liklihood they won’t change the way towers, mercinaries, fortress in general all work. In fact I’d be surprised to see another patch with anything significant in it at all.

by Josey 9:37 pm on 8/5/2004


dude u can make top easly, i cant belive am hearing crying from you!

by code 12:09 am on 8/6/2004


I didn’t ever say I couldn’t reach the top, I just have no desire to, this game is a skill-less game it all comes down to who is the most willing to lame it up with towers hunt delete etc etc. Lame strategies that don’t make the game fun which is the most important thing, if the game isn’t fun why play it?

by Josey 4:37 am on 8/6/2004


You’re right not to play it if it isn’t fun. But then I switched to Odin and play it AoM style without auto-que.
Also on the lvl I am on (1700+) it is more skill then lameing, cause you can own people with any god simply by playing better, which may not work from 1900+.
Do you mean tower pushing by towers strats? I hate that too, but you can only counter it it seems by tower spamming yourself and hoping to get some siege some time soon.

by FnC_ChAka 5:13 am on 8/6/2004


Its just towers that are laming? I dont see them overly used, and i still cant get most anyone to answer why towers are lame now, but werent in vanilla…

yes mercs are lame.

Sorry to see you go, gl.

by Orion_Zorn 5:29 am on 8/6/2004


as I said on aotsanctuary, I’m sad to see you leave this game. But I do have one last question. With what program did you make this site and how did you upload all those recs? I’m making my own site, but I don’t know how to upload anything…

by FFC_Lucyano 5:47 am on 8/6/2004


About towers
20 attack ballista towers (40 vs cav with crenellations) is pretty lame. Especially since its eggy that gets them, which is the last civ to need em.

by Towerman 6:27 am on 8/6/2004


yeah, josey, you wanna play AoD if it isn’t lame and some civs are OP? pls :) i like your games , there really fun, new strats no laming :)

by Anonymous 7:13 am on 8/6/2004


my post ^

by Anonymous 7:13 am on 8/6/2004


woops forgot name again :p

by cL_agam3mn0n 7:14 am on 8/6/2004


FFC_Lucyano I used Blog2 to start with and for the last little while have been using word press. All they are basically are programs where you put a shell of a site in (all the links, images and cells) which I did by hand, then make different categories in which to place your posts very simple to use once you figure it out.

by Josey 10:12 am on 8/6/2004


that Blog2, is that Freeware which you can download, or do you need to pay for it?
thx anyway :thumbsup:

by FFC_Lucyano 10:15 am on 8/6/2004


Pretty sure it’s free, wordpress is just the next development of B2 so I’d suggest going for that.

by Josey 10:23 am on 8/6/2004


Sad to see you go Josey. We will always keep a door open for you.

Just one question. How about the game review you promised all premium members. Will they still be done ??

by Tordenskiold 11:43 am on 8/6/2004


Okay I managed to download it, but it seems very complicated to install it. Once I download and get a zipfile, I unzip and once that’s done, It has unzipped numerous files, but not a single installation thing. I read the README-file, but I understand bull. What to do to install it easily and just be able to run that program?

by FFC_Lucyano 11:56 am on 8/6/2004


Can you maybe tell me what you did to get that program running? (sorry for double posting)

by FFC_Lucyano 11:59 am on 8/6/2004


Take a break for some months. Maybe join us and play some AOC games with me and L_Clan_Chris?

by IKYA 12:12 pm on 8/6/2004


Lucyano - it requires a webserver that supports MySQL and PHP - if you don’t have your own server, you’ll have to pay someone for hosting likely.

If you just want to have your site on your ISP webspace, you’re probably better off with “Blog“, as it works in an offline manner.

I’m Josey’s brother, who hosts this site for him - if you have further questions, give me a shout at greg@nodecam.com.

by Nodecam 1:12 pm on 8/6/2004


Sorry FFC I can’t help you there, my brother is the one who set it all up for me so I have no clue how it all works. Take a look around online for FAQ’s and beginners guides to Blog, I’m sure you’ll find plenty of help out there.

by Josey 1:13 pm on 8/6/2004


As for the premium membership stuff I’ll be offering refunds based on how much was paid and how much % of the time was worked out.

by Josey 1:16 pm on 8/6/2004


Thanks a lot both of you, just shows that not only Josey if helpful. I’ll have another look, though I don’t understand much of PHP and SQL nor ISP, so expect an e-mail soon :P.
Thanks again!

by FFC_Lucyano 1:32 pm on 8/6/2004


hey josey, d/l that game warrhamemr and installed it and when i click on it to play it loads up then just closes by it self….i wana play it with you :) but it wont work

by code 9:07 pm on 8/6/2004


Make sure you have the latest video card drivers etc as they are required to run the game.

by Josey 9:27 pm on 8/6/2004


no need for a refund here, i more than got my moneys worth with the reviews that you did do. If anything, if you decide to evenplay an advanced game of TT once in awhile, add me to your friends list and ill let you whup me one game of one on one. That would be worth the refund. :) but that would just be icing on the cake, seriously, no need for refund or anything at all. Good luck, you are a class act.

by Orion_Zorn 6:27 am on 8/7/2004


What Orion_Zorn said. No need for refund. (however, if you get bored one night, you still have my game for review ;=) )

by Tordenskiold 2:54 pm on 8/7/2004


havent checked ur url but is the game Dawn of War? hope u gonna play that cuz it rulez

by anonymous 9:35 am on 8/8/2004


Yeah it’s Dawn of War.

by Josey 12:41 pm on 8/8/2004


So you’ve started working on Dawn of War…are you also working on Warhammer Online for Fantasy? Good luck with whatever you do next

by Anonymous 6:30 pm on 8/9/2004


Warhammer online isn’t being made by relic (and I think may have been cancelled?), I’ve been working on Dawn of War for 5 months.

by Josey 8:52 pm on 8/9/2004


Josey,

I really liked your games and all of that stuff. You always help other people which I like about you and I wish you the best of luck in the work for WarHammer (also I am glad you are still in staff at AoTs 11 ^^)

by Tri_T 2:20 am on 8/10/2004


Has it been 5 months already?!? Wow.

by Nodecam 12:37 pm on 8/10/2004


Yeah kinda surprised me too, time flies hehe.

by Josey 6:40 pm on 8/10/2004


damn my favourite aom-player stops. I will never have fun again! :(

by leuvensen_boer 12:33 pm on 8/12/2004


seems he stopped already a long time ago. But still I’ll miss his great recs. :(

by leuvensen_boer 12:37 pm on 8/12/2004


seems he stopped already a long time ago. But still I’ll miss his great recs. :(

by leuvensen_boer 12:39 pm on 8/12/2004


seems he stopped already a long time ago. But still I’ll miss his great recs. :(

by leuvensen_boer 12:40 pm on 8/12/2004


Arg, srry about my last 3 messages my internet was freaking. (pll delete them admin :p)

by leuvensen_boer 12:42 pm on 8/12/2004


i though u said u quit?

by code 5:55 pm on 8/12/2004


huh? I did quit aom.

by Josey 9:25 pm on 8/12/2004


Sad news that your leaving, but I can understand why. AOT was not as good as I hoped it would be. I still enjoy playing it, but mostly I’m just waiting to here ES announce their next project.

I hope ES learned from the mistakes made in AOM/AOT. I hope they find a better way to run the rated system. The experts now days seem to care more about smurfing less experienced players non-stop, and trash talking them when they speak up about it,than they care about making the communty a better place.

Anyway, thanks for all the time you spent helping the community, and I hope to see you around when ES releases their next project.

by Jaded_Glory 7:29 pm on 8/15/2004


i saw a rec posted on aot a few days ago you vs Juzam

by code 3:48 pm on 8/16/2004


He said: I’ve quit playing AoT competitively completely. That doesnt mean he is quiting.

by Tri_T 12:53 am on 8/17/2004


Tri_T is correct, I haven’t stopped playing completely but you obviously won’t see me much at all online because the game truly disgusts me right now. As for the game against juzam…. learn to read the dates, that game was several months old.

by Josey 1:18 pm on 8/17/2004


come play wc3 with us josey

btw the warhammer game looks pretty promising i played a demo looks good :)

by Dalamar 11:01 am on 8/18/2004


Wc3 isn’t a game, it’s a click-a-thon. No offense but that is the most boring thing to me, always the same thing over and over pretty much.

by Josey 12:26 am on 8/20/2004


OK then,if u decided to leave bye but u must know that the aom community will miss u.

Question:Is there any chance to start playing again if ES balance the game???

by Grateful_Dead 3:39 am on 8/21/2004


I mean abuses bugs and such things,mercs come second.

by Grateful_Dead 3:41 am on 8/21/2004


Lets just see what AoE3 is like when it comes.

by Anonymous 4:38 am on 8/30/2004


was me ;)

by Vagabond_Loke 4:39 am on 8/30/2004


ahh this site has been closed for ages already

but i make a post anyway 11

by Me 10:35 am on 9/10/2004


Hey Josey - do you have a release date for the game you have been working on, or is that information protected as a “pecuniary interest” or “trade secret"? ha

by J_J_Jackson 5:56 pm on 9/15/2004


three word for you : Rome Total War

by SkySpirit 9:36 am on 9/16/2004


what game are u into now josey ?

by incognito 10:37 pm on 9/24/2004


Dawn of War.

by Josey 6:52 pm on 9/30/2004


I have a question. Can you name some experts that are full of themselves? If you won’t tell us, I understand because this might ruin their reputations as experts. If you do, thank you for telling us.

by Anonymous 10:06 pm on 9/30/2004


Read the forums you should be able to figure it out :), I’m not here to name-call against specific people, it’s not what I do (unless they are real assholes).

by Josey 8:16 pm on 10/1/2004


Hey Josey, tried to send you a mail twice now, any chances of telling your spam filter to chill for a minute?
;)

by Cappuccino 2:49 am on 10/4/2004


wats DoW like?

by incognito 5:39 pm on 10/13/2004


muh h ah ha, go ply halo

by Anonymous 10:08 am on 10/22/2004


Josey, why don’t you start a Dawn of War site. I just started playing & loving it! Tactics man tactics… Also I hope they fix the minor bugs & slight eldar imbalance soon so ppl stop crying.

by Fraggle_ROCKs 8:06 am on 10/26/2004


http://dow.sanctuary-network.com/

You will find Josey there alot.

by Tri_T 5:49 pm on 11/6/2004


LoL i’m probably way to late cause i quited aot a year ago, but shame to hear you leave ^^

by Luc_bos@hotmail.com 3:30 pm on 12/20/2004


Hi Josey.
Again, my mails don’t seem to get through to you. Could you contact me then please? Cheers, and have a happy new year.

by Cappuccino 2:16 am on 12/30/2004


First post of the new year :)! I left a long time ago, best decission I ever made.

by MrMaestro 8:58 pm on 1/27/2005


Hmmmm.

by Josey 5:07 am on 3/13/2005


josey or anyone else who quit aot can i plz have ur aot cd key cuz i lost mine and i wana play it again if u want to give it 2 me email it to me at MELDIN360@YAHOO.COM

by codemaster 7:43 pm on 3/30/2005


Yo Josey, Saw you played a couple games. You thinking about coming back / gearing up for III?

by J_J_Jackson 9:50 pm on 4/1/2005


commentAll Hail! The King reterneth, to take back the crown that is rightly his!

by carry_on_camping 6:50 am on 4/2/2005


im so happy taht josey wales is back !

by magic_pop_corn 9:01 am on 4/8/2005


Guess not :(

by J_J_Jackson 7:20 pm on 4/21/2005


I know its a bit late, but did you see that post where NaturePhoenix did a commentary on a game? It struck me that when you had your game clinic running, it would have been a darn sight easier to talk over a game then post the .mp3, than type up reams of analysis! And I bet you’d be funny as well :)

by carry_on_camping 2:28 pm on 4/27/2005


You ever play that World of Warcraft game. I tried it, found it a little lame as I got tired of walking over all these dead people (Snickles or something like that was always dead) Interesting, but seems like it never goes anywhere. L8r.

by Fat Freddy 2:54 pm on 4/29/2005


JOSEY PLLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ CAN I have ur aot serial number? i lost my case and i cant play online :( plz anyone out there help me get a serial (that works online) plz thanx in advnace

by aot serial wanter 8:02 am on 5/17/2005


need cd key aom titans pleas

by Anonymous 11:00 am on 7/14/2005


guys i lost the cd key of aom the titans can somewone pleas say it or mail me (me emailt you wil get later)

by cd key 11:01 am on 7/14/2005


Ive lost the product key/cd key wat ever it is and can any 1 help me or tell me the key please

by Sdejo 12:33 am on 7/20/2005


i lost the cd key to of aom the titans can any1 help me to please

by miguel 1:48 am on 7/21/2005


Offcourse you can have my cd key!
Its

Leave-josey-alone-with-your-stupid-requests-about-cd-keys

Have a nice day!

by Cd-Key Santa 6:10 pm on 7/23/2005


woow thats a big cd key lets try to play i am stupid 3 now i was just asking man

by cd key 1:43 am on 8/12/2005


i think of you just give it i mean many of us lost a cd key right??

by the master 1:21 am on 8/13/2005


the master is right many of us lost an cd key!

by miguel 1:23 am on 8/13/2005


Sorry, but I don’t think so!! OEM Software

by OEM Software Download 10:55 am on 9/2/2005


wtf is that

by the master 3:29 am on 9/4/2005

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